New xt2 ... using mra 1.1gpx problem with routes not importing

[JS_racer]

OK, sorry if this has been covered.. did some searching, and sort of spun in circles..c
I have a xt, download the gpx 1.1, shoot it to the xt with drive and get a track, and working route in trip planner with via and shaping points all as expected.. have done this for years and years..
Now, I have a new xt2 in my hand.. have tread installed, explorer synced, tracks and other stuff ... I see tracks, routes, and other stuff under garmin explore.. so that's good.. my issue come trying to send tracks routes and stuff, from mra gpx.. it's nice they import, can select or create the collection. My issue is with the route with via and shaping points.. it seems to show them as tracks, with the actual track listed .... so 2 tracks, vs route and track..
Well shoot, that's not good... I hope there is a workaround, tweak , or something to sort this... using a computer and a cable is not an option, since I create routes and stuff traveling, or at lunch for example...yes,I can use a computer and usually do, but I need this to work when I don't have one with me. If that makes sense. (Using the cable, worked with no issue in my test gpx) I thought about pulling the card, card reader on the phone, but not liking that as an option either.
I see I can convert to a route on the xt2 from a track... but that has no shaping or via points.. I guess I would turn off recalculation and hope for the best?? If the route gets confused, will it change at all ?? Say on the xt, sometimes if a route loops, and I stop at a gas station, for example..cit may have me go the other way, but it's easy to correct, sometimes by restarting the route, or shaping to via and selecting that... just things I found that work..

I want to like the xt2, and have no problem with the price, but this track, route thing is big for me.. I spend weeks riding in the mountains at a time.
My xt has been good over the years, it does and works well.. in fact this one is new, only a few weeks old from a garmin exchange...
(I have 30 days for a full refund on the xt2, so I'm sort of under the gun to see if I can't get it sorted.. )

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, and thanks so much for your time.

[JS_racer]

https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=U ... lO5VPpO9c8

that says...
Route Changed Into a Track when Imported into the Tread App
When a route imported into the Tread® App exceeds the 62 point limit, the route will automatically be converted to a track. Tracks will not provide the turn-by-turn navigation prompts. To receive the turn-by-turn navigation prompts, the track can be converted into a route on the zūmo® XT2 GPS navigator. To convert a track into a route on the zūmo XT2 see: Save Part of a Track Log as a Route.

interesting, I'll play with it more today.. above and below the 62 point mark..
as well as if converting in tread gives any different results vs converting on the xt2..

seems 60 works, 65 it sees it as a track...
sd works, otg phone cable to xt2 and sees it as a computer.. although not having luck moving or copying gpx from the phone to the otg drive..
seems a sd card adapter, and popping the card in and out works
not sure how big of an issue this is, if i use mra to use 60 points for wireless transfer, vs more for wired or sd..

sigh.... as my xt all new and shiny is smiling at me pounding my head against the wall... lol

[FrankB]

If you're willing to do some experimenting, please try the latest TripManager version. https://github.com/FrankBijnen/TripManager/releases

I dont have an XT2 myself, so I cant be sure, but there's a good chance that that will get you a working trip. With turn by turn directions.

[JS_racer]

If you're willing to do some experimenting, please try the latest TripManager version. https://github.com/FrankBijnen/TripManager/releases

I dont have an XT2 myself, so I cant be sure, but there's a good chance that that will get you a working trip. With turn by turn directions.

I'll check it out, thanks..looks interesting . I installed it and played with it for a quick second a couple weeks ago, for my xt.
Looking for a portable solution, for on the road , without a computer like a tablet or phone.. I don't always have a laptop on my trips.. home is no issue with desktop and laptop.. if that makes sense..

Would love something to help trip planner , the xt is super limited, no sorting, no search, as I'm sure you're aware.
Thanks for the effort in helping, and your efforts with the program..

[proofresistant]

Wow, I'm really pissed off again right now.
Just planned a route for Sunday, no problem, done in 10 minutes with the right planning tools.

Then I quickly transfer this route to the Garmin.
As expected, the Garmin XT2 and its software is a big pile of garbage. The route takes forever to calculate and nothing works.

Anyone who still has the chance to return the XT2 should do so!
I'll stick with my TomTom wherever possible, it's a good thing I still have it.

Honestly, add up all the other places where the XT2 absolutely fails.
Performance is subterranean.
Charging without leaving the device on is not possible.
Touch buttons are far too small, try just zooming while driving or even skipping to the next destination.
Then what's with the current road that's always displayed at the top? 10%-20% display waste.
Then follow a track, but where are the direction arrows?
How can I mark a point on my route as visited? That's right, it doesn't work.
If I'm asked at the start where I want to get on, then please show me the map too, nobody remembers the names.
Then the position arrow, which is supposed to show where I am and not where the XT2 predicts I might be according to the course, that's incorrect information when it comes down to it.
Then the RUT Issue (Ok may there are Workarounds, but Garmin please, i want only a fine working device)
I could go on like this forever, but enough is enough.

OK, the display is OK, even if more than 2000 Nitz is no longer a problem. But the display is also the only thing.

[overlookh]

Every time I have to transfer some routes to the XT2 I regret having replaced it.

Tread bugs are continuous and there does not seem to be awareness on Garmin's part nor the will to correct them.

Unless there is the explicit will to inhibit to import data from other applications.
Very often even very simple routes made with MRA and transferred are neither usable nor editable.

I advised all my friends against switching from XT1 to XT2

Too bad.

[jfheath]

@proofresistant

Before you throw your XT2 at the wall....

1. Reset your XT2 to factory condition.
2. Delete the Tread app from your phone.

Do not install Tread.

Create your routes as GPX files, make sure that you use shaping points to stop the route heading for faster roads. This doesn't mean 'lace it up'. Two shaping points equally spaced at one-third intervals on a stretch of road that is close to a main road will be enough.


and use TripManager to transfer the GPX file to the Zumo XT2 by USB cable.
Trip manager can create a track of your route. Use it.

Use the collections to keep track, route and waypoints for one day in one collection. You can then turn off the other days.

This process by-passes the usual transfer and import and when loading, the XTs do not have to do a massive amount if calculating and organising. TripManager does all of that for it.


Trip Manager does not calculate the route - the Zumo does that, so depending how clever you have been with point placement, there may be some differences. But if you display the track as well as the route, you can see where the original plan was plotted.

Trip Manager also sets the route to be 'saved' so deviating from the route doesn't ever cause RUT problems, or delete route points if you fail to follow instructions. Instead it calculates the best way to get to the next route point - which will eventually be the way that you are going.

It never changes route point names, and doesn't move them to a new location.

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If you want Weather, traffic, road closures, up ahead places, text messages an emails, then you need to install Tread. But if you do, then do not allow it to 'store data' or 'synchronise' with the Zumo. There is just one chance to disallow this during installation, so read the screens carefully.

[overlookh]

Your suggestion seems to presuppose that you always have a PC with you, which I wouldn't want to do using MRA + Tread to create itineraries on the fly when I'm traveling on the bike.

I will download Trip Manager but from what I understand it also needs a PC.
At this point I ask you what are the improvements compared to the old Basecamp?

Anyway hello and many thanks you for your attention.


The attention Garmin does not reserve for me to as cu$tomer who ha$ purcha$ed a fir$t EMAP $ince 2000 and after that at lea$t one device every two year$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!



Please keep quiet because my wife doesn't know.

[jfheath]

Yes it does. But so does Basecamp.

Bc and Mra allow you to create a gpx file and open it using Drive / Tread, which then sends it to the Zumo - but that then opens up all of the Tread issues.

You could transfer files via an sd card. I havent tried acessing the XTs with a USB connection to the phone.

Your MRA solution will work , but you might want to ensure that the route is regarded as Saved rather than Imported. You can do that on the XT2 simply by using the XT2 copy facility, and running the copy, rather than the original route.

[FrankB]

At this point I ask you what are the improvements compared to the old Basecamp?

Here is a 'Fine Manual' contributed by @smfollen
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Frank ... 0Guide.pdf