Explore Route to Trip Planner

Having Garmin zumo XT problems? there is loads of help and advice in this forum
slane6
Posts: 8
Joined: 21 Sep 2021 16:27
Has liked: 8 times
United States of America

Explore Route to Trip Planner

Post by slane6 »

OK, finally accepting the idea of using the Explore Sync now that I've figured out how to only show certain collections and separate my hiking stuff from my motorcycle stuff. It's nice that I can show a collection and have it display the waypoints that were added in BaseCamp - esp now that it seems that the Zumo XT can display the BaseCamp icon symbols as the actual symbol (fuel, restaurant, etc) and not just as a heart symbol...
The one thing that I can't seem to get it to do is take a route (Trip Plan) from Explore into Trip Planner. There just doesn't seem to be any way to import it into TP.
I will create a ride in BaseCamp, which usually includes a Trip Plan with the associated waypoints & via points, as well as a track. Export the ride via GPX and then import that into Explore via the Android Phone App (not the website Explore because that imports _everything_ as either tracks or routes depending on what you choose at time of import :( ) and then sync Explore on the Zumo XT via Drive (whew!!!).
The ride will show up as a Collection in Explore on the Zumo XT, can display the waypoints and the track (very important for off-road riding!). You can also initiate riding the route from Explore but it doesn't act the same as if I were to import the Trip Plan into Trip Planner via sharing in Drive. AAAAARRRRGGGGG!!!! Try to import the Trip into TP but the Trip doesn't appear as an item when you click on Import in Trip Planner!!!
How to get a route (Trip) from Explore into Trip Planner???
jfheath
Posts: 1004
Joined: 19 Oct 2019 16:17
Location: West Yorkshire, Uk
Has liked: 87 times
Been liked: 256 times
Great Britain

Re: Explore Route to Trip Planner

Post by jfheath »

That is a very good question.

I don't believe that it has a very good answer though.

Trip Planner - in Basecamp and on the XT - relies on a sequence of route points (Via Points, Shaping Points - any of which can be create first as Waypoints). This is called a Trip. Both the XT and Basecamp then calculate a way of getting from one route point to the next - always maintaining the correct sequence. This is called the route.

Explore doesn't behave in the same way. You can create Waypoints, and the Waypoints will synchronise automatically to the XT.

You can create a 'route', but the route consists of a series of drawn straight lines. When a route is synchronised to the XT you can select Where To->Explore->Routes and select the route that you created on the Explore site. Now, instead of it being straight lines, the XT calculates the roads to travel for itself, but it visits all of the places that you clicked on using the Explore map in order to change direction. Interestingly, the preview map shows the straight line version, the actual map shows the version with the roads calculated.

When navigating, this behaves exactly like a standard route - in that it gives turn by turn directions. But - it doesn't have any routing points to keep it in place. This means that if the route is forced to recalculate (say if you wander away from the plotted route), it will take you from wherever you are now to the end.

You may have transferred Waypoints - but they are not part of the route. These are just places that are shown on the map. The route may or may not pass within a cm of them - but they are not part of the route, holding it in place.

The XT can convert a course into a 'Trip' This is confusing. They have now used the word 'Trip' in a different context. When it is created, it is saved in the Trip Planner App on the XT. But load it up, and there are no intermediate route points. If you try to edit it, it loses the course that it has plotted and takes you the fastest/shortest way to the end. But you can navigate it and it gives you spoken directions. And here is the interesting part - which almost makes it quite useful (personal opinion) - it will not recalculate if you deviate from it. In that regard, it behaves like a Track. I tend to refer to it as a TripTrack so that I know I am not talking about a normal Trip of route points. But if you do deviate from the plotted course it then finds the closest point on the TripTrack that it has calculated, and plots a route to get you to that point.

You can see an example of this with screenshots in this section of a document that I published on here. This jumps in at P61, but the whole of that section 7 is to do with Explore and the XT.

app.php/ZXT-P61

To get what you wanted - you can create the waypoints on Explore, synch them with the XT, and then build a trip in trip planner using those waypoints. But Explore iteslef will not construct a route or a trip that uses Waypoints. Not yet, that I have seen anyway.
ST1300A9 - Currently: Zumo 590/5 and Zumo XT - Previous: Zumo 550 and Zumo 660.
BTM03 module to provide Bluetooth link to Autocom. XT paired up to Android Smartphone
Fxwheels
Posts: 86
Joined: 13 Oct 2021 13:30
Has liked: 14 times
Been liked: 9 times
United States of America

Re: Explore Route to Trip Planner

Post by Fxwheels »

In my view , you're overcomplicating the process, sla. Why not to make a trip in BaseCamp and move it directly to Zumo as route and track. Route will have all the via points and turn-by-turn instruction, and you can follow the track in conjunction with it, or separate. Simple as that.
jfheath
Posts: 1004
Joined: 19 Oct 2019 16:17
Location: West Yorkshire, Uk
Has liked: 87 times
Been liked: 256 times
Great Britain

Re: Explore Route to Trip Planner

Post by jfheath »

I was answering the question that was asked.

That was to do with - why a route from Explore cannot be imported into Trip Planner.

Explore does offer lots of possibilities, which are worth looking at. But it doesn't offer the same solution as Basecamp.
ST1300A9 - Currently: Zumo 590/5 and Zumo XT - Previous: Zumo 550 and Zumo 660.
BTM03 module to provide Bluetooth link to Autocom. XT paired up to Android Smartphone
slane6
Posts: 8
Joined: 21 Sep 2021 16:27
Has liked: 8 times
United States of America

Re: Explore Route to Trip Planner

Post by slane6 »

I do create the Trip in BaseCamp, then export it to a GPX which I then import into Explore so that it transfers over to the Zumo. Was hoping to have a single transfer instead of doing the whole thing in BaseCamp, exporting the tracks and waypoints into Explore and then separately exporting the "Trip" so that I can import _that_ into the Zumo... the reason to use Explore is so that they waypoints are visible on the map while riding.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CommonCrawl [Bot], DotNetDotCom.org [Bot] and 2 guests