Transferring tracks from my pc issues

[Peobody]

The SD card import won't work because those files are not in the Memory Card\Garmin\GPX directory. That doesn't explain why the ones on internal storage fail to show anything to import. Are these gpx files ones that you have imported from before? If not, that is where to start your testing because if a known good file works then any that don't work are suspect (eg: faulty in a way that the XT can't deal with). Perhaps those gpx files contain routes but not tracks??? Heck, a gpx file could contain just Waypoints without any routes or tracks.

[jfheath]

I think we need to start with a brand new gpx file containing routes, tracks and waypoints. I’ll post one tomorrow.

There are a number of issues that are associated with the XT1 and XT2 - The problem is that I cannot remember which issues go with which device. Some of them started with the XT1, Some developed on the XT1 with later updates, some appear only on the XT2. I’ll put in brackets where I think the issues lie, but I’m not sure my software is up to date. Things may have changed.

Examples

Data on internal storage:

Tracks get imported automatically and are then deleted from the gpx file (XT2 I think)
Waypoints are imported automatically. (XT1 and XT2)
Routes are processed on first start up after gpx is discovered (XT2)
If you use Basecamp to transfer, routes go into a temp.gpx file. This gets overwritten the next time you connect the usb cable and transfer more routes - so data that you think should be there to import, has been deleted. (XT1 and probably XT2)

SD card.
Waypoints cannot be found on SD card if no waypoints exist in the Zumos memory. (XT1)

Depending on which of these apply to the XT1 - which I believe that @jimio is using - it may be that data has been imported and is no longer in the files. But I will check on that and send a couple of simple gpx files to test out.

It’s been a while since I had my XT1 or XT2 in hand to do anything with them. I’ve been busy mending my leg, and trying to get my devices wired onto my new trike. I’m a bit rusty !

I don’t know what this dot files are doing on the sd card. .system, .trashes, .spotlight… I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be there. I’m saying that I don’t know. When you are having problems like this it often helps to start with a clean sheet eg a different, freshly formatted SD card. Or remove the sd card altogether. Wipe everything from the Garmin’s gpx folder except archive, currenttracklog.gpx, position.gpx and current.gpx

Some Zumos are sensitive about the case of the letters eg Garmin starts with a capital ‘G’, MP3 had to be in capital letters for music to be found. I don’t know whether the XT is that fussy, I learned that the correct case was important a long time ago with my 550, and never do anything else, so ‘garmin’ stands out like a sore thumb to me. Models change - the XT2 for example will find any gpx file anywhere. I don’t know whether the XT1 is more relaxed about where files are placed. But different programmers code different features, so there may be times when it matters and times when it doesn’t. I just stick to the methods I learned years back.

[jfheath]

OK - here is a file and a visual explanation.

Its 10:00 UK time, so I've plenty of time to keep adding to this before Ohio wakes up ! I'll keep adding over the next half hour or so.

Jimio - Test Data - jfheath.gpx contains 2 routes.
Each route has two waypoints - saved locations which I have used to mark the start and the end of each route.
I've added a single Via point (not a waypoint) to some point in between the start and finish of each route.

The image below shos the screen capture from Basecamp. Click on the image to see it full size.

Jimio Test Map Basecamp.png (634.75 KiB) Viewed 547 times

Route A (red) uses Wpt 1 and Wpt 2. Route B (blue) uses Wpt 3 and Wpt 4.
I have also created a track of each route. The left hand pane shows the two routes, two tracks and the four waypoints.
Not so obvious are the Via points which appear on the map as green discs. - one at Grafton (blue route B) , one at Bay Village (red route A).

I do not have the USA maps on my Zumo XT1 - its a European version - but I don't need to draw the maps to demonstrate that this works. I will check it out on my XT2 on which I do have USA maps.

Transfer the gpx file to the XT1

All I have done here is exported all of the data - 4 waypoints, 2 routes, 2 tracks to a single gpx file - which is attached below.
I have then dragged the gpx file using Windows File Explorer to my XT1 Internal Storage/GPX folder.
The result is shown in the screenshot below - again click the image to see the dertail if you need to.

2 Gpx file place in Internal Storage.png (35.63 KiB) Viewed 545 times

nb Position.gpx is a file that contains your last known location. It helps the Zumo start up more quickly as it knows wherebaout you are, so it knows where to look for the satellites. I note that you don't have this file, so in its current state, your XT1 has not been able to get a good satellite fix since you last deleted the files.

Archive contains previous recorded track logs. These are captured automatically, and are a useful record of where you have been. They can be turned off, but I find them a useful record of where I have been.

CurrentTrackLog.gpx contains the most recent record of your rides. Data from CurrentTrackLog is occasionally shifted into the files in the Archive folder. If you delete this or the Archive folder, you have lost your track logs. Older logs get deleted automatically so if you want to keep them, then every month or so, copy the archive folder and CurrentTrackLog.gpx to your computer.

Current.gpx contains data that is in internal storage - old routes, tracks, waypoints. You can clear out old data that you don't need by deleting this - but you have to do things in a certain order, otherwise, they come back. More details on all of this I have described in this chapter of pages starting here. app.php/ZXT-P23

Start Up the XT1

The XT1 will pop up a window that says 'New Routes Found. Import to Trip Planner ?" Yes/No

I prefer to take note of what is going on, so I say 'No'. Besides - I forgot to set up screen shot availability, and I want to see what it has done to the GPX file after transfer.

So after transfer to the XT1, the 4 waypoints, the two routes and the two tracks are all present in the gpx file.

So Now I import the two routes.
Apps->Trip Planner->3 bar menu->Import

At this point my Zumo XT1 cannot calculate the maps (I didn't ask it to - I just wanted to import them) - so you are on your own.

If I now go to Apps->Tracks - the tracks have been imported already - as shown in the screen shot. I seem to have Tread set up, so it is expecting a connection to Garmin Drive. If I click on the spanner (top left) and select Import, no tracks can be found. It has already imported them.

If I now go back to the main screen and select Where To->Favourites (that would be Where To->Saved on a USA screen) the 4 waypoints have been imported already. But if I click on the 3 bar menu, I can select 'Import' and it will allow me to select them again. It does not create duplicates though - only one of each waypoint is shown in the list.

Looking at the gpx file on the XT1 / Internal Storage / GPX folder. The file still contains the tracks even though the Zumo itself says that there are none to be found. If I delete all of the tracks from my XT1, and try to import again, it still cannot find them.

If I delete all of the Waypoints from my Zumo XT1 and then try to import the waypoints from the gpx file, it tells me that there aren't any to be found.

Restarting the XT1 and connecting it by USB cable, I take a look at the gpx file. It is now only 163Kb - it had been 256Kb.
The waypoints are still defined at the top of the gpx file, but the tracks definitions are no longer there. The tracks have been removed.

The waypoints also cannot be found - so I tried a trick that I learned when using the SD card. The XT1 cannot find any waypoints in a gpx file unless it already has a waypoint defined in its main memory. Once it has that, then it will find the waypoints on the sd card.

So go to the map. Tap a location on the map to get a white flag in a blue square. You may have to tap twice. Then tap the flag on the bottom row - black flag in a white sqaure, next to Go ! And select Done.
That puts a Waypoint into your Favourites / Saved locations. Drum roll please ...... Now try to import the Waypoints . ..... Taadaaa !

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It was because of all of the above that I changed myl ong held belief that it was better to have routes / gpx files in internal storage . That is not the case with the XT1. Put them on the SD card - the XT1 will not alter the contents of the GPX files so the data is always there to import.

But you will have to import waypoints and tracks manually - and if you haven't go any Saved locations in internal memory, then you will have to perform that conjuring trick to enable it to find them.

And note that my folder is Memory Card / Garmin / GPX

Capital G Capital GPX. If changing the name using FIle Explorer on a Windows PC, you have to change the name to something else first, then change it to the same word with the capitals in the correct place. If you change garmin to GArmin - Windows just say - that is the same word, no change needed. And it doesn't alter it.

Now I did test that out, and on my 2 minute test it worked with lower case. But Garmin seem to have a rare combination of programmers. Old school, and some that seem to produce the same issues as students that I used to teach who didn't last the course. So I would never trust the new 'case insensitive' approach (ie gpx or Gpx or GPX all work) when there are likely to be programmers that grew up with demanding case sensitive names (as in LINUX for example). No I wouldn't.

On the XT2 - gpx files are found no matter where you put them - their software seems to traverse the entire folder structure and it finds any gpx file. I don't know if that is the case on the XT1 - but I am sure concerned about that .System folder being there on the memory card - if other parts of the Zumo go hunting for such folders anywhere, that could be casuing issues. And what are those


I suggest that you :

Clear out your memory card - or format a new one.
Clear your Zumo XT1 of old data - see the link that I posted above.
Perhaps reset it to factory conditions. Connect Drive if you wish, but dont let it synchronise. app.php/ZXT-P55
Put your data on the newly formatted memor cars in the Garmin/GPX folder

Start from there.

11:32 now. I've done enough. Hope it all goes well. I don't think that there is anything wrong with your XT1

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