Hi from the UK

[Antiquebiker]

recently upgraded from the XT to the XT2.
After hours of trying to move routes from My Route App I'm starting to wonder if I've done the right thing!
Hopefully will get some help from you guys.
Way too nice to be sitting indoors

[FrankB]

Start reading here: viewtopic.php?t=3361

[Antiquebiker]

Just reading through now, thank you.

[jfheath]

recently upgraded from the XT to the XT2.
After hours of trying to move routes from My Route App I'm starting to wonder if I've done the right thing!
Hopefully will get some help from you guys.
Way too nice to be sitting indoors

There shouldn't be a problem.
Export your route as GPX files - route , track, waypoints v 1.1
This can be imported into the XT2 - the XT2 will recalculate it and since it likes to use nearby faster roads, it will probably not be the same as the one you plotted. But on the XT2 it is much easier to display the track and the route together by using collections. (A bit like putting everything for one route into its own folder). You can then make the contents of one or more folders visible (or not) on the map.

Having the track is really useful - that never alters. If the route alters, the track becomes visible - it was alwyas there - just underneath the route.

There are other issues with both the XT1 and the XT2 reagrding moved route points, and a weird behaviour which in certain circumstances allows the stanav to get stuck in a never ending loop of demanding you go back the wya that you have just ridden - simply because you chose to go a different way. I call it 'RUT behaviour'. Don't ask. But it is real, it is a problems and GArmin know about it and haven't fixed it.

Bet we have. And the best solution is the one develoepd by @FrankB - called Trip Manager. It runs on a PC. He has made it free for people to download and use. It runs on a PC / Windows.

The process is this
Do not allow your Zumo to synch with the Tread App. You can have tread installed on your phone, but you don't have to let it synch or save data.
Save your GPX file from whatever mapping program you like.
Load Trip Manager. Access the GPX file(s).
Send them to the XT1 / XT2 as trips.

It by passes the normal import process and you routes appear in the Zumo the next time ou turn it on. And they behave perfectly. Every time.

I'll leave it to others to provide you with the links and extra information. But ever since I got the XT1 and then the XT2 - I've been tearing my hair out about how they behave. This gem of a program fixes everything. Including my hair follicles.

[Antiquebiker]

recently upgraded from the XT to the XT2.
After hours of trying to move routes from My Route App I'm starting to wonder if I've done the right thing!
Hopefully will get some help from you guys.
Way too nice to be sitting indoors

There shouldn't be a problem.
Export your route as GPX files - route , track, waypoints v 1.1
This can be imported into the XT2 - the XT2 will recalculate it and since it likes to use nearby faster roads, it will probably not be the same as the one you plotted. But on the XT2 it is much easier to display the track and the route together by using collections. (A bit like putting everything for one route into its own folder). You can then make the contents of one or more folders visible (or not) on the map.

Having the track is really useful - that never alters. If the route alters, the track becomes visible - it was alwyas there - just underneath the route.

There are other issues with both the XT1 and the XT2 reagrding moved route points, and a weird behaviour which in certain circumstances allows the stanav to get stuck in a never ending loop of demanding you go back the wya that you have just ridden - simply because you chose to go a different way. I call it 'RUT behaviour'. Don't ask. But it is real, it is a problems and GArmin know about it and haven't fixed it.

Bet we have. And the best solution is the one develoepd by @FrankB - called Trip Manager. It runs on a PC. He has made it free for people to download and use. It runs on a PC / Windows.

The process is this
Do not allow your Zumo to synch with the Tread App. You can have tread installed on your phone, but you don't have to let it synch or save data.
Save your GPX file from whatever mapping program you like.
Load Trip Manager. Access the GPX file(s).
Send them to the XT1 / XT2 as trips.

It by passes the normal import process and you routes appear in the Zumo the next time ou turn it on. And they behave perfectly. Every time.

I'll leave it to others to provide you with the links and extra information. But ever since I got the XT1 and then the XT2 - I've been tearing my hair out about how they behave. This gem of a program fixes everything. Including my hair follicles.

Thank you for this, I was starting to think it was me!
I should have done my homework first before switching on and getting stuck in, thought it would have been like the XT only more simple, lol.
Certainly some strange things going on, I export from MRA to Tread and sync with XT2. Seems to work fine until I switch on again and find I have about 4 copies of each route and some even add all the routes together.
Going to do a hard reset and go for not enabling storage. I would like to use Tread for traffic and weather but don't need to move routes this way.
About to download Trip Manager and try that.
Thanks guys for the info and taking the time to help.

[FrankB]

About to download Trip Manager and try that.

Good luck with that. If you have questions about TripManager I'll be happy to answer them. There is a thread for TripManager: viewtopic.php?t=3150

Frank

[Antiquebiker]

Quick update,

Firstly, thank you guys for all your help with this, much appreciated.

I've had a play with TripManager and with my little tech experience, I'm going to have to sit down and have a good read of the instructions. It's very comprehensive so need to get a good understanding of it before I get too impatient and launch the XT2 out of the window.

In the meantime, I followed the instruction on how to get the Tread app connected without allowing it to sync, this is what I think has been my issue up until now. Export routes from MRA to Tread, sync to XT2 then it all goes horribly wrong! 3 or 4 copies of the same route, routes linking together and all sorts of other issues.

So have just now, gone back to the old school way and saved .gpx files from MRA and copied them accross via a usb cable and no syncing to Tread, Perfect!

It's a shame really as doing it via the phone app is very convenient but seems very unstable, I don't ever remember having this trouble with the XT and the old Garmin app. I suppose that's progress for you.

Anyway, thank you again and I will update when I get a chance to have a proper go with Tripmanager.

All the best

[FrankB]

@Antiquebiker
@smfollen

Steve has written an excellent user's guide, with screenshots from the XT2. It was last updated for V1.6 but still very usable.
https://frankbijnen.github.io/TripManag ... e_V1.6.pdf

To get started and load your first trips start here:
https://frankbijnen.github.io/TripManag ... tasks.html (You can skip 'Overview of Settings')
https://frankbijnen.github.io/TripManag ... evice.html (Method 5 recommended)

Index to all docs
https://frankbijnen.github.io/TripManager/toc.html

[ZFtracker]

Welcome to the forum, @Antiquebiker.

[jfheath]

Quick update,

Firstly, thank you guys for all your help with this, much appreciated.

I've had a play with TripManager and with my little tech experience, I'm going to have to sit down and have a good read of the instructions. It's very comprehensive so need to get a good understanding of it before I get too impatient and launch the XT2 out of the window.

Trip Manager really is a game changer for the XT series. You still connect by USB cable - but let trip manager handle the transfer. No gpx file goes to the zumo. It builds to necessary file on the zumo itself. You must have the .System folder visible, and that has to be set up ont he Zumo folder first.

In the meantime, I followed the instruction on how to get the Tread app connected without allowing it to sync, this is what I think has been my issue up until now. Export routes from MRA to Tread, sync to XT2 then it all goes horribly wrong! 3 or 4 copies of the same route, routes linking together and all sorts of other issues.

I did a series of tests recently and proved to myself and others beyons all doubt that the changes to a route happen because the Tread app has synch'd to the Explore database. Remove the Tread storage/sych and the same tests pass with flying colours.

So have just now, gone back to the old school way and saved .gpx files from MRA and copied them across via a usb cable and no syncing to Tread, Perfect!

Its a gpx file and that is all that is needed. Use v1.1 for the MRA gpx route export. That contains the shaping points (MRA teardrops) and the via points (MRA hands). Any MRA POI's that you have included int he route show up in the XT2#s list of Waypoints. Unfortunately, MRA does not allow you to create your own POIs and build them into a route - so they do not show up in the XT2's waypoint list.
If you like, think of Garmin's use of the term Waypoint as being similar to MRA's POIs. Points on a route are route points, not the 'waypoints' that MRA prefers.

It's a shame really as doing it via the phone app is very convenient but seems very unstable, I don't ever remember having this trouble with the XT and the old Garmin app. I suppose that's progress for you.

The XT and Drive App with the Explore link did use to cause problems, which went away when the Drive App was removed. I don't know if they ever fixed the issues. I wouldn't have noticed - I tried to like it but it kept causing odd issues, so I never had it loaded except for testing purposes. It was a pity that they did not implement Collections on the XT1 without linking to the Explore App.

You can still have the Tread App on your phone talking to the XT2 for traffic, weather, up ahead places, fuel etc. But unfortunately if you do not allow synch, you cannot send a gpx file to your phone and have Tread open it. So you are right - Transfer by USB is necessary. Or remove the SD card, put the gpx file on that and reinsert it. I think that requires a restart anyway, so you don't gain much.