Missing turn info when creating a trip from a track

[Scottnet]

Has anyone else noticed that when you create a trip from a track it only gives you "bear right/left" and "roundabout" instructions. It does not show Turn Rights and Lefts.

[jfheath]

One year later ....

Sorry @Scottnet - thanks for your post. I was just doing a trawl of posts that had not received any replies and came across your snippet of useful information. Thank you !

The answer is apparently 'No'. I rarely use track to trips - except to see how they behave when deviating from the magenta line. So I know exactly how they behave in those situations, but I had never noticed the limited instructions.

I'm replying now because a few of us are looking at @FrankB's Brilliant TripManager utility which by-passes the traditional transfer and import process and instead puts the data in a place where the Zumo has immediate access to it. This makes it impossible for the Garmin software to change the names of points, the position of route points or to move the route onto different roads - before you have even started to navigate.

Few of us use tracks to trips, but we are testing how TripManager might be able to create them from routes. So to be aware that they miss out some navigation instructions is very useful.

One year down the line, do you have any other observations ?

[FrankB]

@jfheath

Thanks again for putting TripManager in the spotlight. Really appreciate it!

A few remarks

1. TripManager is NOT able to create a trip from track. It needs a by BaseCamp calculated route using the SAME maps as on your Zumo. Such GPX route it can convert to a trip that is comparable with a trip from a track created by the Zumo.

2. On a 200 km test trip yesterday I used both the trips created from the Zumo and TripManager. Neither had the behaviour mentioned by @Scottnet

From my (limited) experience I would say that it is caused by a) Wrong maps b) The track used as source was created from an 'old' route with 'old' maps. EG with CN 2024.xx someone created a route, converted that route to a track, and is still using that on the 2026.xx maps.
(Meanwhile crossings have been replaced by roundabout's for example)

[Scottnet]

I mostly use the XT just to follow tracks, If I do use a route, I never use auto recalculate, although I know it still does recalculate on some occasions. For example, if you start a route while not at the bike, then turn off XT load on bike it seems to recalculate the route

To minimise the XT messing up my route, I create a route from a track. This all looks fine, on BC if you view the turns it looks fine but when you view the turns on the XT is does not show turn right/left. This is 100% repeatable and I don't think has anything to do with the maps.

You don't need to navigate the route to test this, just view the turns.

I would be very interested if someone with an XT and XT2 can recreate the issue and try on both devices

[Kokkie]

Sorry if I "kick in an open door..."

When converting a track(spoor) to a trip(route) on the XT2, and you subsequently press GO (GA), it will still let you use the track(spoor), without directions.
If you want to use the trip(route), you first have to select the saved trip from the place (collection? trips?) where it is saved.

So...convert the track to trip.
Look where the trip is saved.
Activate the trip.

Now you should get the directions.

That's how I do it, and works fine.

Good luck, let us know if it worked for you.

Mike

[Scottnet]

Its not related to this.

[Peobody]

I mostly use the XT just to follow tracks, If I do use a route, I never use auto recalculate, although I know it still does recalculate on some occasions. For example, if you start a route while not at the bike, then turn off XT load on bike it seems to recalculate the route

This shouldn't be surprising. When you start a route, the XT will always calculate to the route start point. So, if your location is different when you turn the XT back on then it will do a new calculation to the start point. This is assuming the you fully turned off the XT (long press) and not just put it into standby mode (short press). AFAIK, this calculation should only be to the start point. Have you ever noticed it make a change to the route?

I can't help with the behavior of a route from a track. I create routes in Basecamp and have Basecamp create a track of each one. Both get transferred by my XT. The track gets shown on the map while the route is being ridden. Any route variance resulting from a recalculation is then visible (the magenta route line deviates from the track line, which I color black). If the variance is minor I will manually follow the track line. If it is major I will restart the route.

[FrankB]

Some screenshots might be helpful