Can't find "Saved Places" in my new XT2

[eezyrida]

Am a new owner of a XT2 and I don't seem to have a "Saved" destinations icon. I've read the relevant bits of the manual and that says I should have it - I should select "Where To? > Saved". When I select "Where to?", lots of categories pop up like "Go Home", "Address", "Waypoints", but not "Saved".

When I try to save an address it only gives me the option of saving it as a waypoint.

Am I doing something wrong?

[jfheath]

Am a new owner of a XT2 and I don't seem to have a "Saved" destinations icon. I've read the relevant bits of the manual and that says I should have it - I should select "Where To? > Saved". When I select "Where to?", lots of categories pop up like "Go Home", "Address", "Waypoints", but not "Saved".

When I try to save an address it only gives me the option of saving it as a waypoint.

Am I doing something wrong?

Welcome to the forum @eezyrida

My XT2 does not have a 'Saved Destinations' Icon. What language is your XT2 set to - Settings -> System -> Text Language

I am guessing that you are looking for 'Waypoints'. These used to be called Favourites on most earlier Zumos.

The term Waypoint refers to locations that have been created and saved by you (or obtained from elsewhere), before ever starting to create a route. A place of special interest to you. Eg A stopping place, a campsite ... whatever.

Some people use the term 'waypoint' to mean a point on a route. Some use it to mean a Via Point. Garmin use it to mean a location that existss without being part of a route, but which may be used as a part of a route if you wish, or just as a marker on the map.

[smfollen]

At various times, and for various devices and software, Garmin has called Waypoints "saved locations" and "favorites". I think that all 3 names mean the same thing.

Routes and trips are also 2 names for the same thing.

[eezyrida]

Ah ok, thanks both.

That's interesting as the manual makes no mention of saving destinations as waypoints. Its instructions for saving a location are:

"Search for a location (Finding a Location by Category).
From the search results, select a location.
Select Information > Save.
If necessary, enter a name, and select Done.
Select Save."

Then to edit/delete a saved location the instructions begin...

"Select Where To? > Saved.
If necessary, select a category.
Select a location."

The above indicates that when you select "Where to?", one of the options must be "Saved". Presumably that's an error then and Garmin copied and pasted that from another device, and didn't proof read it...

Link here: https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp ... 85965.html

[rbentnail]

Do you have any Saved places stored in internal memory? If not, I'd make one and see if the category then shows up.

[eezyrida]

Thanks, no it doesn't give me the option to store destinations in "Saved", only to "Waypoints", so I've saved my addresses there and created a "Family and Friends" collection, albeit I'm uncertain how "collections" works as it's barely mentioned in the manual.

[sussamb]

Note on older devices Saved places or Favourites won't show up as a category until you've saved 5 or more locations so that may be your issue.

[jfheath]

Ok - so we are talking about the same thing.

On the XT2 - the "saved locations" that you are talking about have all been called:

'Saved' - Appears in Where To? -> Saved - on Zumos set up with Text Language set as USA English.
'Favourites' - Appears in Where To? -> Saved - on Zumos set up with Text Language set as UK English.
'Waypoints' - The term used in all gpx files <WPT>, in Basecamp and in the Zumo XT2 no matter what the language is set to.

They are all the same thing and are used in exactly the same way. You can store them on the Zumo in Favourites/Saved/Waypoints and they can be made to appear on the map.

'Categories' was a feature that existed in BAsecamp and was adopted by all of the Zumos that I have owned - until the XT2 - which doesn't use them.

Once a certain number of waypoints/saved/favourites had been assigned to a category, then the category name showed up in:
Where To ? -> Favourites (UK) or in Where To ? -> Saved (USA).

The category name could then be selected and it would show all of the waypoints / 'saved' that belonged to the selected category.
Any waypoint could belong to any number of categories. Like belonging to a club or a group.

I think it is a powerful and little used feature and so very easy to implement in Basecamp. You can select any number of waypoints from your list in Basecamp, right click and select 'Open' and create a new category name (or an existing one) and all of the selected waypoints would be added to that category.

The XT2 does not support Categories. It just ignores the category setting altogether. In the info about a waypoint, there is no indication that it belongs to a category, and the category names are not listed when you select 'Where To ? -> 'Saved' (Or Where To ? -> Waypoints as it would have to be in the XT2. It doesn't exist.

Instead the XT2 has collections. THey work in a similar way - you can add any route, track or waypoint to a collection that you creates.
In fact when importing routes data into the XT2 from GPX files, it gives you the option of which gpx file to use, and it then lists which items are in the file and lets you select which items you want to import. So you can import all of the tracks routes and waypoints that you want to se in a collection called Monday. Then import all of the ones that you want in a collection called Tuesday. etc.

Once again any item can belong to any number of collections.

But the XT2 has a really useful feature - you can turn on or off all of the collections except one - so that on Tuesday your map is not littered with waypoints and tracks from Monday's ride.

The Tread app and the XT2 have tools to allow you to organise your collections.

Select the Explore Icon from the main menu

OR : Select Where To ? -> Waypoints

OR: select Apps -> Routes or Apps -> Tracks

They all take you to the Explore collections of screens. They have a green banner at the top.

It isn't obvious, but if you tap that green banner you can choose to display any of the other Explore displays:
All, Waypoints, Tracks, Unsaved Tracks, Routes, Courses, Collections

THere are also a number of symbols at the top - one of which is a vertical ellipsis (3 dots) which opens up a new set of symbols. If you have the camera / screenshot feature enabled, you cannot see or access this icon - so I have to turn the XT2 into portrait view to get a decent image of it.

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So the left hand shows the search button and the ellipsis which opens up more options - one of which is Select and Edit.

The right hand shows the screen that is then displayed with some more icons - and the same list with a check boxes alongside.

Icons from left to right:

Search.

Tick box. You can select all or deselect all check boxes - whichever makes life easier for you. Whatever you do next will only affect the items with a tick in the box.

The grey icon of a pen and notepad opens up a screen full of icons that you can assign to ticked item(s). Why it is grey, I do not know. That usually means that nothing is selected.

The shelf of 3 books with a + sign is to indicate collections. Tap this and the selected items will be added to the collections of your choice - which is presented as another tick list. The colelction will be ticked if the items are already members of the collection, or uticked if not. Set the tick for each collection that you want - or untick it. That screen (not displayed) also allows you to create a new collection for you to use.

The bin is obvious - delete the ticked items.

The 3 point/2lines symbol has become synonimous with 'share'. In this case the choices are disappointing - you can put the slected items onto the memory card or share them via the Tread App.

It takes a little fiddling around with it to work out a way that works best for you. I can use it quite well, but so far I keep thinking - I'm sure that I could have made that much easier. It is certainly made a lot easier if you create a separate gpx file for each day's riding. Import just that day and create a collection for that day. But so far I have forgotten to do that !

I should add - The XT1 also has collections. But colelctions on the XT1 were only available if you had Garmin Drive set up to synch with the Explore database. And the Explore database created problems.

The XT2 also uses the Explore database with a new application called Tread. You can choose to synch or not synch - although Garmin make it easy to select the option to synch inadvertently. There are three options:

• Do not install Tread on your phone. No synch is possible, no traffic / weather / upahead data is available on the XT2.
• Install tread - do not allow it to synch or save data. No synch is possible, but traffic, weather, upahead palces are all available ont he XT2
• Install tread and allow it to synch witht he explore datbase. As above and routes can be cretaed ont he app and synched to the XT2. But there are some serious routing issues with this arrnagement. In tests, route points are often renamed and moved onto different roads.

Whatever - Collections are always available and are a real boon in organising your rides and data.

[Peobody]

This comment is not relevant to the XT2 but is relevant for anyone reading this and using an XT or earlier. Be aware that there is no mechanism by which you can delete all Waypoints associated with a specific Category. I understand that logic considering a Waypoint can be assigned multiple Categories but, for me, it severely limited what I had hoped would be a value of Categories. That anticipated value was to be able to assign the same Category to each Waypoint in a long trip with the goal of being able to easily delete those Waypoints once the trip was complete. The vision was to be able to go into the XT, sort or filter the Waypoints by Category, and then delete all of the ones with that Category. I never figured out a way to do that. There is no way to sort or filter by Category when deleting saved places, at least not on the XT.

[jfheath]

I'd not noticed that @Peobody - but I tend to start each tour with an empty Zumo and rely on being able to recreate the gpx files from my Basecamp databases.

But one thing that I do would help. I put day numbers in front of my route points. I also put a mileage from the start. So 03 055 Coffee stop - would represent the day (date, day number or 3rd of month) - and 55 miles from the start point. I started doing this when after our first tour in Spain when I realised that I had absolutely no idea where Llanes, Perves, Arnedo etc were in relation to my current position.
Resetting my motorcycle trip at the start of each day gives me a good indication of my position relative to the named waypoints that I have used in the route. And with TripManager, the shaping points are not renamed.

But with information like that as part of the waypoint name, it is much easier to delete them - as the XT1 has a selection tool - it displays all waypoints, but has check boxes so that you can easily scroll down to the ones that you want.

There is a lot to like about the XT2 and how it helps with organsing data and its multiple ways of ordering lists. But also - it gives you the choice of which gpx files to import and from which location (Internal, SD card) - so you don't have to have everything in your Zumo at the same time. Load it in, delete it when done and import something else.

And without Tread synch and with the ability to prevent RUT behaviour (and Frank's Trip Manager) it is becoming a valuable tool.