How can I tell if waypoint in .gpx is in a route?

[Peobody]

I have a .gpx file from a riding buddy. I loaded it in Basecamp, fixed some off-road points and did some renaming. I then noticed a waypoint that is not part of the route. I don't know whether I did something that caused this or whether it is one that he erroneously included in the .gpx. I used Notepad to look in his .gpx file to see if I could identify whether that point is part of a route but I couldn't. I would think it would be there. What should I look for?

[Mzokk]

Could you ask him to resend his original re-name it and open it in Basecamp. If the waypoint was originally in the route it will be attached to the route and have a time distance attributes the same as the rest of the waypoints in the file. If not it will be an orphan waypoint?? Haven't a clue how you'd identify a waypoint that had become detached from a route, when it was being edited, as its attributes would change from being detached.......i think

[Peobody]

He and I have talked a lot about our route creation and sharing process in an attempt to minimize different route results on our different devices. I am confident that the rogue waypoint was placed on a road that would have fit the route but he then found a longer, twistier option over which the route now runs. I figure he must have exported and sent the list folder instead of just the route but was hoping for a way to confirm that from my end.

[lkraus]

From your mention of his list folder I assume he is also using Basecamp. Ask him to create a track from the route (with a right-click) and export that with the route (or folder). The track will serve as verification that the route you see matches his route.

[jfheath]

Waypoints are defined individually and separate from the route - usually at the very top of the gpx file.

Like this

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 <wpt lat="53.944583432748914" lon="-1.889413995668292">
    <time>2025-09-01T14:03:34Z</time>
    <name>04 Ignore Addingham ShPt</name>
    <cmt>38 Main Street
Addingham, W.YORKS, LS29 0, GBR</cmt>
    <desc>38 Main Street
Addingham, W.YORKS, LS29 0, GBR</desc>
    <sym>Flag, Blue</sym>
    <extensions>
      <gpxx:WaypointExtension>
        <gpxx:DisplayMode>SymbolAndName</gpxx:DisplayMode>
        <gpxx:Address>
          <gpxx:StreetAddress>38 Main Street</gpxx:StreetAddress>
          <gpxx:City>Addingham</gpxx:City>
          <gpxx:State>W.YORKS</gpxx:State>
          <gpxx:Country>GBR</gpxx:Country>
          <gpxx:PostalCode>LS29 0</gpxx:PostalCode>
        </gpxx:Address>
      </gpxx:WaypointExtension>
      <wptx1:WaypointExtension>
        <wptx1:DisplayMode>SymbolAndName</wptx1:DisplayMode>
        <wptx1:Address>
          <wptx1:StreetAddress>38 Main Street</wptx1:StreetAddress>
          <wptx1:City>Addingham</wptx1:City>
          <wptx1:State>W.YORKS</wptx1:State>
          <wptx1:Country>GBR</wptx1:Country>
          <wptx1:PostalCode>LS29 0</wptx1:PostalCode>
        </wptx1:Address>
      </wptx1:WaypointExtension>
      <ctx:CreationTimeExtension>
        <ctx:CreationTime>2025-09-01T14:03:34Z</ctx:CreationTime>
      </ctx:CreationTimeExtension>
    </extensions>
  </wpt>

This happens whether or not the waypoint is used in a route.

In a route, the point is declared again, using the same data. Here is the same waypoint used as part of a route - as produced by Basecamp.

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    <rtept lat="53.944583432748914" lon="-1.889413995668292">
      <time>2025-09-01T14:03:34Z</time>
      <name>04 Ignore Addingham ShPt</name>
      <cmt>38 Main Street
Addingham, W.YORKS, LS29 0, GBR</cmt>
      <desc>38 Main Street
Addingham, W.YORKS, LS29 0, GBR</desc>
      <sym>Flag, Blue</sym>
      <extensions>
        <trp:ShapingPoint />
        <gpxx:RoutePointExtension>
          <gpxx:Subclass>000000000000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF</gpxx:Subclass>
          <gpxx:rpt lat="53.944583432748914" lon="-1.889413995668292">
            <gpxx:Subclass>0500BA0DED01281B10002116000052001B00</gpxx:Subclass>
          </gpxx:rpt>
          <gpxx:rpt lat="53.94463062286377" lon="-1.889712810516357" />
          <gpxx:rpt lat="53.94463062286377" lon="-1.889712810516357" />
          <gpxx:rpt lat="53.944931030273438" lon="-1.890163421630859">
            <gpxx:Subclass>0500BA0DED01441F10001F001E00D9D21300</gpxx:Subclass>
          </gpxx:rpt>
          <gpxx:rpt lat="53.944931030273438" lon="-1.890163421630859" />
          <gpxx:rpt lat="53.945188522338867" lon="-1.890678405761719">
            <gpxx:Subclass>0500BA0DED01601F10001F001E00C4D20500</gpxx:Subclass>
          </gpxx:rpt>
         .
         .
         .<Snip>
         .
         .
         .
          <gpxx:rpt lat="53.927082186564803" lon="-1.924656126648188">
            <gpxx:Subclass>0600BA0DED0126030C0021170000DB004E00</gpxx:Subclass>
          </gpxx:rpt>
        </gpxx:RoutePointExtension>
      </extensions>
    </rtept>

In the example in a route, the waypoint has been set as a shaping point.

Before the XT2 - this was one way of making sure that the route point retained the name that you gave it.

With the XT2, the waypoint that is declared at the top remains intact, but when it is used in a route, it tends to be relocated and given a different name. So in effect, the waypoint is no longer part of the route. Instead, the waypoint is shown on the map, and a new routepoint with a different name and in a different position marks a completely different location. Closeby, but not always close enough.

I can think of a few places where I have used a Waypoint to mark the location of a car park for a hotel so that the satnav guidance take me to where I need to park. I take the trouble to use street view to find where I need to be. But sometimes my parking spot is not on a legitimate road and the route point (via / Shaping) will be moved by the XT2. So my route doesn't take me to the waypoint that I had plotted. The symbol will still appear on the map in the correct location - but the route will not necessarily go to it.

[lkraus]

I'm not sure why this old topic showed up this morning as "Active", but my mind jumped to a simpler response than it did in August.

To see if a waypoint is in a route, just open it in Basecamp and click the References tab. It will show all lists and routes containing that waypoint.

A "stray" waypoint may appear in a list, but will not be included in the route.

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[MSTOCK27370]

I'm not sure why this old topic showed up this morning as "Active", but my mind jumped to a simpler response than it did in August.

To see if a waypoint is in a route, just open it in Basecamp and click the References tab. It will show all lists and routes containing that waypoint.

You can also just hold the mouse cursor directly over the waypoint on the map and after a second or two a list of routes will appear. I like the references tab better, but this works too.