2024 africa twin connection problem

[mikep]

Hey guys.
Just installed the xt2 and I'm having trouble getting turn by turn instructions to play consistently.
Using a Fodsport FX10 headset that has worked very well without the XT2. I have a 2024 africa twin adventure sport.
Any advice on how to connect the phone with carplay, headset and XT2 to play together will be greatly appreciated.
thanks

[jfheath]

Hi @mikep and welcome to the forum.

I'm not familiar enough with carplay and headphones to be able to help. Typically the headset is paired to the XT2 as if the XT2 is a phone. The phone is then connected to the XT2.

But I don't think that any of that helps.

You can set up more than one phone on the XT2, and you can specify a separate music input device.

Someone will know whether it is possible to do what you want, now that you have posted and you have had a reply !

[mikep]

Thanks for the response jf.
I've used the carplay and phone on the africa twin enough now to know how it works. Some of the features are cool, like listiening to music, using the africa twin controls to read text messages and answer the phone. It's just the limitations of using the phone as a gps that I don't care for especially where cell service is poor.

I'm kinda thinking that it's going to be the garmin xt2 or carplay , not both.
The xt2 sees the bike's BT and connects only briefly. For what ever reason it will not maintain a connection to the bike.
All I really want from the gps is the nice map and turn by turn instructions.

Next I'll try not using car play at all and see if I can get turn by turn instructions to the headset.

Any ideas?
thanks

[Mzokk]

I have a Garmin Zumo XT mounted on my 2020 ATAS and use a Cardo Packtalk bold not the unit you describe. When I connect my Packtalk bold I usually either set it up for the XT..(Phone connected to the XT Phone on Channel 1 PTB XT or Chanel 2 PTB) or Android auto (Phone Cable to Honda, PAcktalk Channel One to Honda.) .I was messing around with the packtalk and tried Honda Channel 1 and Zumo XT Chanel 2 and phone BT to XT and Cable from Phone to Honda. To my surprise I was able to hear both units as long as the connection sequence is Cardo on XT on Music on, on the phone (Spotify or Musicolet) Honda on. The Honda takes over the music meaning that you can use the Left cluster buttons to navigate the tracks. The XT cuts out the music to give navigation directions. Now here's the interesting bit. If you use google maps or My Route app you can also get these navigation instructions (though having both at the same time means that the XT mutes the AA navigation directions) or mute the XT and get navigation instructions from the Honda without having to reconfigure the Packtalk Bold. The advantage is you can switch from one navigation device to the other without a reconfigure.

I'm not sure how your Bluetooth device would react to this setup and even with the Packtalk its very sensitive to making all of the connections in the right sequence.

[mikep]

Thanks Mzokk.
The Fodsport headset may be my limiting factor. I'll try your sequence, but don't quite understand the channels you mention. My Fodsport has a bunch of mesh channels, but I don't know about selectable BT channels on any of my devices. I have an iPhone 12 that has reliably connected to other BT devices.

My XT2 (as with all garmin gps units, I think) wants to be the hub for all BT connections. That's in direct opposition to what the AT wants to control.
Anyway, for now I made fresh connections between the AT, headset and phone plugged into to AT. All handlebar controls work as it should, with google map turn by turn to the headset. The XT2 is not connected to anything, however it spits out assorted "BT not connected" error messages. But, functions solo without turn by turn directions.

If it's not obvious by now, this has me confused.

thanks for your input.

[African Twin guy]

Hi mates, I own also a ATAS 23 Honda and I haven't yet attempted to make the bluetooth connections.
My view is that you can't use both, but since you have guidance and music via Garmin, my opinion is this.
1. connect Garmin only to your headset via bluetooth
2.then connect garmin to your iPhone via bluetooth
3. Open your iPhone again and connect it with Honda motorcycle.

I don't know if this will work but my choice is to have garmin guidance and music and change music tracks via steering wheel buttons.
PS I didn't understand the sequence of Mokzz that posted above
Cheers

[mikep]

Hi again;
It's been a while and things have progressed.
I now have a cardo PT Edge headset. The Fodsport, as a basic unit was ok, but lacked the ability to connect to more than one device.

What a PITA. I've read everything I could find on cardo connections and my results have varied, depending on how I held my mouth. LOL
Mzokk, your procedure was helpful, my garmin XT2 connected by BT to the phone, but no audio connection to the headset.

The process of connecting the headset to the bike went fine, carplay connected fine with usb to the AT. But, the cardo wouldn't even go into pairing mode to connect to the XT2 with everything on. Well, shit! But, after a few tries, accompanied by twirling around and yelling, I was able to connect the cardo to the XT2 directly with the AT OFF! Miraculously, when everything was powered up again, the AT was connected to the cardo, carplay, and the XT2 (with audible gps directions). Don't ask me why it decided to work after so many failed attempts.

So, now for a test ride. I'm hoping the audio is loud enough with ear plugs. WTF?

thanks for the assistance

[mikep]

Test ride was a partial success.
Sound quality and volume was satisfactory, not loud, but good enough I guess.
Turned cardo on first, then bike. Cardo connected to the bike without issue, Garmin connected to Cardo eventually and produced audible turn by turn directions, muting the music for seconds, too many seconds.
Carplay connected and worked for music and google maps.

However, turn by turn from google maps was not audible if music was playing. The music was muted as if directions were being produced, but not there. A banner at the bottom of the TFT had text directions with next turn info. With music off, most of the google maps' turn by turn directions were audible. (slight truncation of first second) I didn't risk having an active route running on the XT2 during this part.

I was also having some trouble with the vocabulary of commands to the cardo. Volume up/down worked, start/stop music did not. I need a cheat sheet!
Had to use siri to make a phone call.

So, the process is a real pita but if the settings and connections remain stable I can live with it for now. 30 day return policy from Cardo, thank you.

Whether it's worth the money is still to be determined.

Suggestions welcome

[jfheath]

I have a Cardo Packtalk Edge and an XT2.

I have had no success in getting the Edge to work with thinks like Hay Siri. Not that I have tried a great deal - becasue that either requires the phone to be unlocked all of the time, or for the phone to be at the centre of the setup. In my setup, the XT2 is at the centre of things.

Two things - the volume between the XT2 and thr Edge can be controlled in a number of different ways.
i) The voume wheel on the side of the Edge.
ii) The Master volume setting on the XT2 (sometimes)
iii)The Mixer volume setting on the XT2 which separately control output for navigation, media, phone calls and proximity alerts.
iv)Hey Cardo - Volume Up / Volume Down - which gives a much bigger range than does the wheel on the side.
v)The default settings in the Cardo App for volume of the unit.

If you cannot hear stuff from the XT2 then fiddling with these WILL make the volume deafening if you want it.

You can pair the Edge to two different units if you wish, although it isn't very clear hoew to do this in the manual. But there is a setting (involving rolling the wheel forward or backwards to set it to be set for GPS, phone - and something else. That setting determines the priority that the incoming signal has.

Regarding voice control on the Cardo - make sure that in the Cardo app, the default language is set correctly. If it isn't, it will not be able to recognise your Hey Cardo commands.

If you don't have the XT2 at the centre then that restricts what you can get from the XT2, but it limits the amount of voice control you can use with the phone. I tried experimenting with that but stopped when it meant that I had to stop the phone turning itself off, which basically meant that it was open to allow anyone access to it should I lose it. With the XT2 at the centre - it effectively becomes your phone - handling the incoming and outgoing calls and displaying messages - but the only voice control you can get to the phone is to play/pause and skip fwd and back for a playlist that is already playing.

I have heard tell that people have been able to pair the phone to the cardo and also to the Edge - but I have never seen anything that describes how to do it. I have tried - just for the hell of it, and failed. The phone wont BT to two devices for the same function at the same time.

When setting up pairing for the first time, make sure that only the devices that you want talking to each other are within BT range. Odd things will happen if you don't. Once paired, everything just connects together without issue

I cannot experiment with CarPlay, I don't have it. I don't have an apple phone - mine is Android.

https://cardosystems.com/pages/support/packtalk-edge link to page to the pocket guide and to the manual.

The Edge is one of the best headsets that I have come across - I have three of them. A spare and one for each rider / pilion communication. The spare is to enable me to use a device that enables me to talk with people in a group who use Sena devices - and as a spare - because headsets only ever go wrong when you are using and relying on them.

Yell out if you need any help with this.